tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17759756.post115425428542771807..comments2023-10-30T02:03:56.081+13:00Comments on Capitalism Bad; Tree Pretty: FearsMaiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17212711843307060731noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17759756.post-1154819294463720592006-08-06T11:08:00.000+12:002006-08-06T11:08:00.000+12:00> had a lot of drunken sex when he was at high sch...> had a lot of drunken sex when he was at high school - and he was worried that a woman would say that he raped her<BR/><BR/>Can we say the public policy solution is prohibition (as opposed to having a lot of rapes and puting lots of men in jail).Geniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11624496692217466430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17759756.post-1154522724947846542006-08-03T00:45:00.000+12:002006-08-03T00:45:00.000+12:00Liberty Scott you may not have believed the messag...Liberty Scott you may not have believed the message that you heard - but that doesn't mean it wasn't there.<BR/><BR/>I absolutely agree that it's possible to create a different culture. Part of that is acknowledging exactly how fucked the current culture is.Maiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17212711843307060731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17759756.post-1154509744617501922006-08-02T21:09:00.000+12:002006-08-02T21:09:00.000+12:00"They're told that women's wants, women's needs do..."They're told that women's wants, women's needs don't matter, they're told that no means yes, they're told that rape is a stranger in a dark ally, and they're told they're entitled to sex"<BR/><BR/>Well hold on "they" are not. "Some" are. I was not, my male cousin was not, I have friends who were not. I know men who have. <BR/><BR/>I was raised and it seems second nature to me that sex is about people revelling in each other - and the thrill I get is driven by the thrill the woman gets, and it is symbiotic. I don't know how it can be exciting any other way. There are men who deliver the message you say (even a handful of women - who get angry when a man she wants DOESN'T just "take her" without question), and many men are now used to sexually aggressive women approaching them. <BR/><BR/>I knew one man who eventually admitted to me he raped a woman who I knew - I talked to her about it - she said the "I deserved it" line and went back to him. Before she moved away she told me how much she enjoyed being with him. I was utterly horrified, ended contact with him - impossible to do anything legally because she wanted to do nothing, Police aren't interested and you can hardly publish his name without facing defamation.<BR/><BR/>I think it is possible to inculcate teenage boys (adolescent ones even) into treating sexuality as something that is about mutual consent, even that the more desire the woman has the more exciting it is. However we have a culture where education about sex that is about positive messages - anything other than "it gets a girl pregnant, spreads disease and sometimes people get abused" - is simply denied.Libertyscotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12741049550997300680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17759756.post-1154437752950721322006-08-02T01:09:00.000+12:002006-08-02T01:09:00.000+12:00Sophie - that's kind of what I meant. IN theory I...Sophie - that's kind of what I meant. IN theory I think it could be possible for a man to rape a woman, because he didn't care whether or not she consented, realise what he's done, and change. But every man I've ever seen in that situation has refused to do that.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to think that guys can change from being someone who believes the culture to someone who doesn't - but again I haven't seen it.Maiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17212711843307060731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17759756.post-1154425842523209022006-08-01T21:50:00.000+12:002006-08-01T21:50:00.000+12:00I can imagine having some sympathy for young men, ...<I>I can imagine having some sympathy for young men, in theory.</I><BR/><BR/>I can understand how it is hard for men to understand rape, but I absolutely do not sympathise. The guys I know don't <I>want</I> to face up to their actions.<BR/>Our culture may teach them not to empathise with women, but the guys who <I>choose</I> to believe the rot are fooling themselves, and the majority of them know it.sophiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11329568168996549967noreply@blogger.com